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I love bwenga its a congolese rhythm
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thats the low part....theres 3 more parts to the rhythm. i ll add them later
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B - s - O O s - B - s O O - s -
thats the low part....theres 3 more parts to the rhythm. i ll add them later
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Re: what is your favourite rhythm??
Wed, March 1, 2006 - 7:59 PMFavorite rhythm at the moment is probably woneye "one-eye" or maybe Demonsoni Kelen (dununba) . I dont get the chance to play them enough with people who know the parts, which are a little complicated.
It would also be nice to be able to find a way to clearly write notation on this here tribe. It my be impossible with all the font sizes out there, that dont always post correctly or cleanly.
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Re: what is your favourite rhythm??
Sat, April 1, 2006 - 12:26 AMKodejega (Komodenu) , Djaa Kourousa and Fankani,
ah, heck, I like most all of the West African Rhythms. -
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Re: what is your favourite rhythm??
Sun, April 2, 2006 - 6:34 PMDjaa Kourousa is one of the all time hits. I think people love it cuz the melody, the space for djembe soloing and the sang/ dunba parts have lots of variations that just sound great. Meanwhile the kenkeni is just ruthlessly holding the pulse. .... -
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Sun, April 2, 2006 - 8:46 PMYEAH, I really like the open spaces in that one. Bao is just about the weirdest one. It sounds and looks difficult on paper and then once you start playing it, it chugs right along. We've actually had beginning students have a lot of fun playing that one.
So you're the person that my drum partner Tracy considers a hero. She thought she was on a one-woman campaign to encourage dunnun playing.....and then she saw your logo.
There aren't that many rhythms where the kenkeni part is anything but a clock, some of the Dununbe's have that funky little off beat pattern but most of the time the kenkeni just chugs along. -
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Fri, April 7, 2006 - 3:31 PMbao is focking awesome rhythm when played correctly. the first djembe accompaniement is long so it switches sides against the dunun. the conversation b/w the two is really sweet. a lot of people start playing soli des manian and call it Bao. -
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Re: what is your favourite rhythm??
Mon, July 3, 2006 - 11:16 AMI didn't find notation for Bao in Paul Nas' pages -- is it elsewhere? -
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Mon, July 3, 2006 - 11:55 AMnot that i know of...even if there was some notation present on the interweb...i wouldn't trust it. -
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Mon, July 3, 2006 - 3:06 PMfor the most part I agree, but Paul Nas seems to be a widely respected source. -
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Re: what is your favourite rhythm??
Mon, July 3, 2006 - 8:32 PMGo.....no RUN out and buy a copy of Mamady Keita's book and CD "My Life For Djembe". It is available through :
www.africanrhythmtraders.com
In there you will find a large number of the important Guinean as well as some Ivory Coast and Mali rhythms nicely notated in western time. Boa is included in the selection as well as on the CD.(Not all of the rhythms are used on the CD, but a lot of the real important ones are). He breaks it down with all of the dunnun parts then the djembe parts, then plays it straight without embelishments and solos and finally with all of the embelishments and solo patterns. It is a must have for all West African percussion enthusiasts. While you're on African Rhythm Traders site, you might also want to purchase Fomadou Konate's book. I have one from a while back, but it's printed in German, and my German stinks. The new publication has been translated into English. If you buy both of these books, it will keep you busy for quite a while and give you good solid and accurate information. You can't beat these two sources. -
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Tue, July 4, 2006 - 8:05 AMawesome! thanks so much Jeff.
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Tue, August 15, 2006 - 8:42 PMJeffrey -- could the resource you're referring to be known as "A Life for the Djembe"? -
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Wed, August 16, 2006 - 12:08 PMWow,
Maybe because I was out of town, I missed this whole tread, but it was an interesting read to hear 2 peoples perspective on the music. The thing is, that when talking about a culture, peoples need to remember that no culture is static. Its always changing and so are the rhythms. The youth play faster and the rhythms are re-interpreted generationally, parts added to make the more funky or whatever.
I was with Famoudou in Boise recently and he said that he goes back to his village to hear what new rhythms have developed. He also creates rhythms in the moment if people are singing and they need rhythmical accompiament. So in a sense: People are just making things up at this point. Like they always have, because we are human and we are creative. Famoudou is from the village, as is Bolokada Conde (my teacher here in Oakland) and there is a difference of life experience than teachers i have had from Conakry (Mohamed Diaby and Amadou Camara) but more often than not the experience is similar. All of them were in some ballet, and that gave them the resources and clout to be able to come to the west. I'm thankfull for all of that.
I suspect that if we were all together and we broke out some drums that we would all have a really great time.
paul
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Tue, July 4, 2006 - 9:39 AMi have to disagree...Famoudou Konate, Mamady Keita, Koumbagna Conde, Soungalo Coulibaly, M'bemba Bangoura etc etc...are the sources.
i'm not saying what Nas has provided isn't a service to drum students, but i wouldn't put stock in notation that came from someone who learned a rhythm from one of the Masters because it could be wrong. then you'd be learning the wrong shit and playing it and even worse teaching it the wrong way. Not even everything in Mamady's book is correct, look closely. you'd only know it's wrong if you've spent some time with him. he didn't write the book though. I've learned every single rhythm in that book and so much more from Mamady and will say that it's a great resource for reference, but it's no substitute for a teacher.
i just did 4 days with Famoudou and let's just say he knows about paul nas's website...and he's currently in the process of writing his own book to clear up lots of confusion. -
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Tue, July 4, 2006 - 3:29 PMAll these people you've mentioned are just a few of the known drummers from Mali influence. You've not thought Bukina, Ivory Coast, S.Leon. These all have Wolof, Malinke, and Mandiunge in their borders. All the teachers you've mentioned are ballet and students of the village Griots. They are the best for western students. Keep your eyes open and ears tuned when knowledge is sounded before you. (village proverb) -
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Tue, July 4, 2006 - 9:16 PM"All these people you've mentioned are just a few of the known drummers from Mali influence. You've not thought Bukina, Ivory Coast, S.Leon. These all have Wolof, Malinke, and Mandiunge in their borders. All the teachers you've mentioned are ballet and students of the village Griots. They are the best for western students. Keep your eyes open and ears tuned when knowledge is sounded before you. (village proverb)"
Wow! You must be a really great drummer to dismiss that list of drummers as ballet drummers and students of village Griots. I look forward to hearing you play sometime. -
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 3:28 PMI don't compare drummers. I just have an understanding of the difference of city and village, ballet and festival, stage and society. keep drumming my freind and play your voice. -
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 4:04 PMI'm sorry about my typing , it's fairly new to me. I meant to say "not" students of the village Griot. Fama K is the only one of the list that stills remembers the village teachings(atleast in his playing). All drummers in these traditions are good. Some just get more oppurtunity to show it.(Ballet) -
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 4:31 PM"Fama K is the only one of the list that stills remembers the village teachings(atleast in his playing). "
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 6:37 PMNot just languge, I'm talking of. Take the tuning of their lead drum(to high) Playing to fast (ballet) splitting calls four and five times in same phrase. There is improv and talking to much, to much emphasis on their own drum. You've seen village then you've see to the point team playing onto the mask or dancer(s). -
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 8:40 PM"splitting calls four and five times in same phrase."
i'm not sure i know what that means.
i don't think the pitch of the drum has anything to do with it either. i have recordings of village music from this past year and their drums are easily as high as anything i've heard on a released recording. plus, most of the recorded djembe music is ensemble playing. they aren't trying to recreate village music. they are simply playing traditional music in a modern way with modern tuned instruments with lots of breaks, arrangements and of course lots of soloing. i personally don't favor either style, but i appreciate the difference. sometimes i like to listen to some shredding djembe and dunun. modern/ballet style is more appealing to western people - tight arrangements, shorter/faster rhythms, crazy technique, breaks. that's what people like to hear. only the diehards can appreciate hours and hours of konden, soli, dununbas and bundianis.
personally, i got bored with all the ballet troupes i saw over there. same rhythms, similar story lines. and way too fast for my tastes. i enjoyed the folklores 100% more.
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Thu, July 6, 2006 - 1:57 PMAll those drummers from in most cases are playing traditional music in modern arragments and playing styles. Ypu nailed that one on the head. In the villages djembes are not tuned high because thats not the desired sound. older dancers want a defined tone/slap that you can't get with your skin choked. I think it has to do with the fact the rope isn't as strong to. The speed in ballet is fast for Western audiences, we both agree. In the village drummers need their hands to do their trade and those speeds are to much to play than have your hand swolen when your doing carpentry the next day. Most fast songs are played with sticks or stick and palm with 7 or 8 drummers. All drummers solo on their part and the one or two soloists is for the dance and mask. This is a big diffrence to ballet style set up. Drummer might as well be a machine because their trained for very little varience on the parts. That means the featured soloist has to do what 5 or 6 drummers do in the village, change the singing off the motif. If you have a dancer in front of you and you as a drummer split pharses four and five times that means the dancer has changed dance steps four and five times. Thats one great dancer. Most stick the dance then get moved to another by spirit. I've seen dancers possessed do that. It was so fast though. I don't think the dancer could keep that speed regularly. In Ballet trained soloists they do this to give the crowd what they want. Two styles of play, city and village. Many villages close to a metro city have the means to get better rope and access to the sound of ballet. You know your music thats good. -
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Fri, July 7, 2006 - 8:57 AMthanks, christoph...likewise. it's been a good discussion.
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 12:18 AM" All these people you've mentioned are just a few of the known drummers from Mali influence. You've not thought Bukina, Ivory Coast, S.Leon. These all have Wolof, Malinke, and Mandiunge in their borders. All the teachers you've mentioned are ballet and students of the village Griots. They are the best for western students. Keep your eyes open and ears tuned when knowledge is sounded before you. (village proverb)
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all of those drummers with the exception of Soungalo are from Guinea. Soungalo was born and raised in Mali but lived in the Ivory Coast and it's very evident in his style of play. "students of the village griots"...not sure what this means, but if you grow up in the village, everyone is a student of the village griot in all aspects of your life - culture, history, tradition etc. None of those masters learned how to play djembe from a griot and they are among the most respected djembefolas in the world.
sure there are drummers in burkina, ivory coast and sierra leon...are they as accessible as the Guinea and Mali drummers we have in the states? no.
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 3:51 PMKeep in mind that many parts you've learned are focused on ballet performances. Many of the rythms you've learned may or may not include djembe (most may not). I know for a fact that recent teachers translate parts from other instuments to djembe because this certain drum is a cash cow. I never say that teachers are wrong. I'm glad you take time and dedication to learn. Just be careful of what the western world says about a culture they didn't grow up in and are foaming at the mouth tobe a part of. Picture a teacher that has traveled to diffrent regions of Guinea and learns several rythms and brings them home and takes money to teach them. This concerns me, why, this student has only played these rythms a handful of times and only has one source from which he learned it. He is passing on vocal knowledge that he himself dosen't know where it comes from and most likely has raley if ever seen the villagers play that particular rythm. There is your Western teachers. Mamady and company are fantastic people. Just think for a second though, if a forigner can do it , how easy would it be for them? Look deeper than the popular. -
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Wed, July 5, 2006 - 4:29 PM"Keep in mind that many parts you've learned are focused on ballet performances. Many of the rythms you've learned may or may not include djembe (most may not). I know for a fact that recent teachers translate parts from other instuments to djembe because this certain drum is a cash cow. I never say that teachers are wrong. I'm glad you take time and dedication to learn. Just be careful of what the western world says about a culture they didn't grow up in and are foaming at the mouth tobe a part of. Picture a teacher that has traveled to diffrent regions of Guinea and learns several rythms and brings them home and takes money to teach them. This concerns me, why, this student has only played these rythms a handful of times and only has one source from which he learned it. He is passing on vocal knowledge that he himself dosen't know where it comes from and most likely has raley if ever seen the villagers play that particular rythm. There is your Western teachers. Mamady and company are fantastic people. Just think for a second though, if a forigner can do it , how easy would it be for them? Look deeper than the popular."
i know the difference b/w ballet and tradition and i know which rhythms i' have learned that have originated on an instrument other then the djembe/dun. why? because the good teachers will tell you all that information and because i'm a straight up junkie for this music. most of the drummers here in the states are all Ballet vets anyway so of course they are going to teach ballet arrangements.
you are right in taking heed in what's going on in the western world even more so in the US then in Europe. there are too many africans over here trying to pull a buck by teaching djembe when they probably never touched the instrument in their homeland. too much confusion. that's why i went to Africa. i saw the big ballets rehearse and perform as well as the younger 2nd and 3rd tier neighborhood ballets. i traveled into the interior and saw how the music is played out there as well and saw the exact same rhythms and phrasing that i've learned from my teachers.
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Re: what is your favourite rhythm??
Tue, July 4, 2006 - 3:18 PMMine is Begbe, Digba, Gla and Zauoli. From Ghana I love Baboobo, Akousa Tuntum, Gome and many others.