I have been wondering speciality of off-beat rhythms. I have never before been thinking about off-beats, but maybe I should. I don“t know anything about theory of music. How off-beats show up in rhythms? How do I know what is beat and what is off-beat?
Couple of frases from Sofa
djembe1
T T S S . . S . T T . S B . S .
djembe2
B . . S . . T . B . T S T T S .
How can I see what is off-beat(s) in those frases? Is off-beat played somehow differently? If someone knows good example clips, I would like to see them.Thanx
Couple of frases from Sofa
djembe1
T T S S . . S . T T . S B . S .
djembe2
B . . S . . T . B . T S T T S .
How can I see what is off-beat(s) in those frases? Is off-beat played somehow differently? If someone knows good example clips, I would like to see them.Thanx
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Re: off-beat rhythms
Thu, September 6, 2007 - 1:49 PMHi Teemu,
The simplest way to see offbeats in a 4/4 rhythm like Sofa is simply to call the odd numbered beats (1, 3, 5 ... ) downbeats and the ones in between (2, 4, 6 ... ) offbeats.
I was just about to post to this community about a new book of mine that explores this very topic of offbeats, as one of the lessons. The book is Roots Jam 3: Arrangements for West African Drum & Dance. See djemberhythms.com/roots.htm for details.
happy drumming,
Nowick
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Re: off-beat rhythms
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 3:24 AMThis is a very interesting question. The notion of downbeats & offbeats/upbeats has been a source of endless fascination for me in West African rhythms. As far as I can tell from playing with Africans, it just doesn't seem they feel downbeats & offbeats in the same way I do, based on my Westernized sense of pulse. It seems that Africans just feel every note in a rhythm as part of "the beat." Whereas for me, my kinesthetic sense of downbeat is crucial to keeping my place in the rhythm, much to my consternation when trying to play Dununba rhythms when the dununs are mostly playing "offbeats." I've been playing djembe along with Dununba rhythms for many years, & *still* I get thrown off sometimes. In 6/8 rhythms, trying to play just the second & third notes of the triplets without the "downbeat" is so much harder for me than if I'm playing the downbeat, but when I play with Africans, it doesn't seem to be any problem for them. In fact, it seems they are a little puzzled when non-Africans like me struggle with something that just seems straightforward to them.
So my suggestion would be to not really worry about what's a downbeat or offbeat & just think of every rhythm as having its own beat. Just try to learn to feel that beat, & you should be fine. -
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Re: off-beat rhythms
Sun, September 9, 2007 - 9:18 AMI have to completely, totally agree with everything you just conveyed LanSing. When I ask of an African drummer where downbeat or where "1" is, their eyes glass over before giving me an answer. Ok... just kidding (a bit).
I have been responsible for the dununba part, in a small drum and dance troupe, on the rhythm Mendiani. The part is exactly as you described, 12/8, no strike on the downbeat, but hits to play on the second and third notes of the triplet. When I originally started with this part it was very, very foreign and weird to me. Now that I have been playing it for almost a year I am geting the feel. The cleaner (read: better) the rest of the troupe plays, the easier it is for me to "cop the groove". Practicing to a Mamady recording of the rhythm is extremely helpful to me.
These African masters have been playing their drums all of their lives. It is "a way of life" for them. We tend to drum as a hobby. What I am saying is that practice is worthy and necessary. Can't learn this stuff by reading a book, you have to actually do it.
Additionally, offbeats can be of the eight note variety, 16th note offbeats or triplet offbeats, as discussed above.
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